Mech
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So, just because it's common practice, that means they shouldn't be called on exagerations and outright misinformation?
Yes, it's called life. A true horror, I know.
So, just because it's common practice, that means they shouldn't be called on exagerations and outright misinformation?
So it's shut up and take it, I see, that's obviously made life/games better in the past . . . it's a very helpful thing to do.Mech said:So, just because it's common practice, that means they shouldn't be called on exagerations and outright misinformation?
Yes, it's called life. A true horror, I know.
Lumpy said:Nobody would complain about boots if there were boots for beast races at all.
Dreagon said:Lumpy said:Nobody would complain about boots if there were boots for beast races at all.
And thats where this idiotic idea of "balance" comes into play. Why do all races have to be "equal"? Why can't some have disadvantages?
Tintin said:Dreagon said:Lumpy said:Nobody would complain about boots if there were boots for beast races at all.
And thats where this idiotic idea of "balance" comes into play. Why do all races have to be "equal"? Why can't some have disadvantages?
Because that would be stupid. All races should have advantages and disadvatages and yes, they should all balance. Give up one advantage in order to have the other. If one race beats all the rest everyone would just choose that race.
Or if Bethesda had allowed beast races to do direct damage with hand 2 hand and NOT the human races. That would've been a fair trade don't you think?Lumpy said:Nobody would complain about boots if there were boots for beast races at all.
As a matter of fact, having skills and races that are actually different in power would go a long way in improving rpgs.
Because that would be stupid. All races should have advantages and disadvatages and yes, they should all balance. Give up one advantage in order to have the other. If one race beats all the rest everyone would just choose that race.
Not everyone is a powergamer.
Dreagon said:Wow, that is the stupidest thing I have read in a long time. It's a single player game, what difference does it make if a lot of people prefer the "stronger" race, as long as others of us can challenge ourselves with playing races that are actually different?
Drakron said:Dreagon said:Wow, that is the stupidest thing I have read in a long time. It's a single player game, what difference does it make if a lot of people prefer the "stronger" race, as long as others of us can challenge ourselves with playing races that are actually different?
Why? This "by default" position is exactly what I'm talking about. It's just another way of saying uncritical acceptanceDrakron said:Because gameplay sould be balanced by default.
Drakron said:By your train of logic then its ok to not wear any equipment at all or make a low mana character only use spells or never save the game EVER.
Or even have some charactors not allowed to use weapons too big for them, or wear armor to small for them, or GOSH even have some races have better vision than others, or weapons that do different damage than others.
Drakron said:By making the beast rares not able to use two pieces of equipment they made those races inferiors unless they had some advantage to negate that loss, the argument "playing with X race sould be HARD mode" is flawed.
Sabregirl said:So it's shut up and take it, I see, that's obviously made life/games better in the past . . . it's a very helpful thing to do.Mech said:So, just because it's common practice, that means they shouldn't be called on exagerations and outright misinformation?
Yes, it's called life. A true horror, I know.
Mech said:It surely didn't make games any worse. Whether you voice your complaint, or you don't say anything at all, you have absolutetly no affect what so ever. You, me, and everyone else's opinions are worthless. Better get used to the fact now, before you head out into the real world.
Tintin said:Not everyone is a powergamer.
And of course, having one race that's stronger than all the rest is the way to do that! Pure genius! Crisis averted!
Sheesh, Levski, in your haste to sound like a collage of every single Codexer here you should make sure to read over your posts.
Dreagon said:Mech said:It surely didn't make games any worse. Whether you voice your complaint, or you don't say anything at all, you have absolutetly no affect what so ever. You, me, and everyone else's opinions are worthless. Better get used to the fact now, before you head out into the real world.
And of course you are such a devotee of this belief that you come to an entirely different forum to offer your opinions to a bunch of people who have the nerve to not be fanboys. Nah, it's not important to you at all :wink:
Mech said:It surely didn't make games any worse. Whether you voice your complaint, or you don't say anything at all, you have absolutetly no affect what so ever. You, me, and everyone else's opinions are worthless. Better get used to the fact now, before you head out into the real world.
Sabregirl said:Mech said:It surely didn't make games any worse. Whether you voice your complaint, or you don't say anything at all, you have absolutetly no affect what so ever. You, me, and everyone else's opinions are worthless. Better get used to the fact now, before you head out into the real world.
Bethesda made beast races playable largely due to complaints from forumites. Besides, if our opinions make absolutely no difference then why do developers bother coming here? Why should they care? Maybe some of the people here have legitamate concerns??? Granted I think it's very RARE for fans (or just angry observers) - forum or otherwise to actually have an effect but what's the point of running around to different forums (which are primarily for discussing/analysing things) and saying "shut the hell up" which seems to be your primary argument for everything. What's the point in that?
I have to agree with drain on race balancing. It's always better to make different options rather than better and crap options. Sure you *can* purposefully play something that's more difficult OR you could just amke an alternate way of doing things for another race.
-S
Fuck little Tintin and his neurotic need to choose the most powerful character build every play through a game.
As he is well aware, not everyone is balanced in the real world, and he proves that even the most undergifted of us can delude themselves into thinking they lead a meaningul existence.
Nobody would complain about boots if there were boots for beast races at all.
Balance is absolutely required for single-player games. Otherwise, the choices are uninteresting.