Eternity Josh Sawyer wants to make Pillars of Eternity 3, but only if...

[Falksi]

I have a hard time with the first Pillars. I tried it now 3 times, and am currently playing it. Each time I only get as far as Caed Nua because the writing is so lifeless and boring. It has it's moments for sure but for the most part the only emotion the game evokes is boredom.

I am trying now to finish the game in this attempt... (just defeated Maerwald so basically again where I quit twice before let's see how much further I can make it)

For me there's just so much filler there in your face all the time. It's great that they wanted to add depth to the game, but most of that fluff often drowns out the key components and takes center stage far too often.

The lost art of game making - give the player a digestible experience as a primary priority, and allow them to get deeper on replays. PoE does it the other way around and throws all of itself at you on your first playthrough, with replays being incredibly repetitive and lacking due to very little variance or stuff to uncover. The game is absolutely desperate for large sections of it being broken up into 1st & 2nd play C&C paths.

 

[Fedora Master]

I tried it now 3 times, and am currently playing it.

 

[CrunchyHemorrhoids]

I have a hard time with the first Pillars. I tried it now 3 times, and am currently playing it. Each time I only get as far as Caed Nua because the writing is so lifeless and boring. It has it's moments for sure but for the most part the only emotion the game evokes is boredom.

I am trying now to finish the game in this attempt... (just defeated Maerwald so basically again where I quit twice before let's see how much further I can make it)

Stop hurting yourself. It won't get any better and POE2 isn't worth making that kind of effort just to get a better grip on its story.

 

[Aarwolf]

I have a hard time with the first Pillars. I tried it now 3 times, and am currently playing it. Each time I only get as far as Caed Nua because the writing is so lifeless and boring. It has it's moments for sure but for the most part the only emotion the game evokes is boredom.

And that's the best part of base game.

 

[Rhobar121]

you know why most western studios turn to shit sooner or later while most japanese studios maintain quality? Arrogance. Once western studios grt big they start thinking they’re the shit. They stop playing video games and start spending more time on cocaine and hookers… or riding your bike if you’re gay. Japs stay humble and continue to play games and listen to feedback that’s why they don’t forget how to make good games.

Name one good jap game made in the last 10 years that wasn't made by from soft. I'll wait.

They only know how to make cringe anime garbage.

mario and zelda have been going strong since the 80s with the recent zelda game being a strong contender for game of the year

Are you talking about the expansion for Breath of the Wild?

 

[Vic]

you know why most western studios turn to shit sooner or later while most japanese studios maintain quality? Arrogance. Once western studios grt big they start thinking they’re the shit. They stop playing video games and start spending more time on cocaine and hookers… or riding your bike if you’re gay. Japs stay humble and continue to play games and listen to feedback that’s why they don’t forget how to make good games.

Name one good jap game made in the last 10 years that wasn't made by from soft. I'll wait.

They only know how to make cringe anime garbage.

mario and zelda have been going strong since the 80s with the recent zelda game being a strong contender for game of the year

Are you talking about the expansion for Breath of the Wild?

I have not played them but my point was that companies like Nintendo, CAPCOM, ATLUS and Square Enix have been around for a very long time and still release quality games, can't say the same about any western studio. I guess Rockstar would come closest but they are newer than the ones I've mentioned and have a much smaller track record.

 

[Rhobar121]

you know why most western studios turn to shit sooner or later while most japanese studios maintain quality? Arrogance. Once western studios grt big they start thinking they’re the shit. They stop playing video games and start spending more time on cocaine and hookers… or riding your bike if you’re gay. Japs stay humble and continue to play games and listen to feedback that’s why they don’t forget how to make good games.

Name one good jap game made in the last 10 years that wasn't made by from soft. I'll wait.

They only know how to make cringe anime garbage.

mario and zelda have been going strong since the 80s with the recent zelda game being a strong contender for game of the year

Are you talking about the expansion for Breath of the Wild?

I have not played them but my point was that companies like Nintendo, CAPCOM, ATLUS and Square Enix have been around for a very long time and still release quality games, can't say the same about any western studio. I guess Rockstar would come closest but they are newer than the ones I mentioned and have a much smaller track record.

As a reminder, FF15 and Forspoken were fully Square Enix games.

 

[Vic]

you know why most western studios turn to shit sooner or later while most japanese studios maintain quality? Arrogance. Once western studios grt big they start thinking they’re the shit. They stop playing video games and start spending more time on cocaine and hookers… or riding your bike if you’re gay. Japs stay humble and continue to play games and listen to feedback that’s why they don’t forget how to make good games.

Name one good jap game made in the last 10 years that wasn't made by from soft. I'll wait.

They only know how to make cringe anime garbage.

mario and zelda have been going strong since the 80s with the recent zelda game being a strong contender for game of the year

Are you talking about the expansion for Breath of the Wild?

I have not played them but my point was that companies like Nintendo, CAPCOM, ATLUS and Square Enix have been around for a very long time and still release quality games, can't say the same about any western studio. I guess Rockstar would come closest but they are newer than the ones I mentioned and have a much smaller track record.

As a reminder, FF15 and Forspoken were fully Square Enix games.

FF15 was good and Forspoken was not developed by SE

 

[Rhobar121]

you know why most western studios turn to shit sooner or later while most japanese studios maintain quality? Arrogance. Once western studios grt big they start thinking they’re the shit. They stop playing video games and start spending more time on cocaine and hookers… or riding your bike if you’re gay. Japs stay humble and continue to play games and listen to feedback that’s why they don’t forget how to make good games.

Name one good jap game made in the last 10 years that wasn't made by from soft. I'll wait.

They only know how to make cringe anime garbage.

mario and zelda have been going strong since the 80s with the recent zelda game being a strong contender for game of the year

Are you talking about the expansion for Breath of the Wild?

I have not played them but my point was that companies like Nintendo, CAPCOM, ATLUS and Square Enix have been around for a very long time and still release quality games, can't say the same about any western studio. I guess Rockstar would come closest but they are newer than the ones I mentioned and have a much smaller track record.

As a reminder, FF15 and Forspoken were fully Square Enix games.

FF15 was good and Forspoken was not developed by SE

Literally the same people worked on FF15 and Forspoken.
FF15 wasn't considered a very good game at launch.

 

[Vic]

you know why most western studios turn to shit sooner or later while most japanese studios maintain quality? Arrogance. Once western studios grt big they start thinking they’re the shit. They stop playing video games and start spending more time on cocaine and hookers… or riding your bike if you’re gay. Japs stay humble and continue to play games and listen to feedback that’s why they don’t forget how to make good games.

Name one good jap game made in the last 10 years that wasn't made by from soft. I'll wait.

They only know how to make cringe anime garbage.

mario and zelda have been going strong since the 80s with the recent zelda game being a strong contender for game of the year

Are you talking about the expansion for Breath of the Wild?

I have not played them but my point was that companies like Nintendo, CAPCOM, ATLUS and Square Enix have been around for a very long time and still release quality games, can't say the same about any western studio. I guess Rockstar would come closest but they are newer than the ones I mentioned and have a much smaller track record.

As a reminder, FF15 and Forspoken were fully Square Enix games.

FF15 was good and Forspoken was not developed by SE

Literally the same people worked on FF15 and Forspoken.
FF15 wasn't considered a very good game at launch.

I've enjoyed FF15 but didn't make it very far because I've been getting bad stutters. I liked how you were doing these creepy dungeons but it was contrasted by your bro's light hearted remarks and created this juxtaposition of light-hearted atmosphere in creepy ass dungeon which was a unique experience for me.

It certainly wasn't bad for the 15th iteration of a game franchise imo

 

[Jenkem]

Once Avowed releases and becomes a success with the hoi polloi the interest in the world of Eora will skyrocket. Phil will give Josh near unlimited budget to make the ultimate CRPG.

 

[Axel_am]

Once Avowed releases and becomes a success with the hoi polloi the interest in the world of Eora will skyrocket. Phil will give Josh near unlimited budget to make the ultimate CRPG.

Avowed isn't looking that good tbh. If anything I'm worried that it could be the final nail in the coffin.

 

[Roguey]

Once Avowed releases and becomes a success with the hoi polloi the interest in the world of Eora will skyrocket. Phil will give Josh near unlimited budget to make the ultimate CRPG.

Sawyer said Avowed's success would only result in more games like Avowed.

 

[Axel_am]

More interest in Avowed results in more interest in the world of Erora which results in more interest in Pillars 3. Sounds like plausible logic.

 

[Rhobar121]

Once Avowed releases and becomes a success with the hoi polloi the interest in the world of Eora will skyrocket. Phil will give Josh near unlimited budget to make the ultimate CRPG.

I think both are as likely as Sawyer learning how to design a fun game.

 

[Sherry]

Hi.

Bumping for 2024 announcement.

Thanks,
Sherry

 

[Morality Games]

More interest in Avowed results in more interest in the world of Erora which results in more interest in Pillars 3. Sounds like plausible logic.

Maybe a little. Problem is fantasy settings are worth a dime a dozen these days (because of the diffusion of 70-90s nerd culture into the mainstream). Good worldbuilding is always appreciated, but what people want want are good narratives and fun gameplay.

The success of BG3 *does* make a turn-based Pillars 3 more plausible, if Microsoft is willing to pony up and Obsidian is willing to pivot away from their fixation on Bethesda.

Honestly though, Shadowrun is the only property Microsoft owns that could viably compete with the D&D intellectual property.

 

[Axel_am]

I don't think trun-based gameplay is that fun. If anything Pillars 3 should stick to its roots and try to take RTwP to the next level. Or at least get to a good/fun balance.

 

[Rhobar121]

I don't think trun-based gameplay is that fun. If anything Pillars 3 should stick to its roots and try to take RTwP to the next level. Or at least get to a good/fun balance.

RTWP is crap that is dying.

 

[Fedora Master]

TB/RTwP wasn't the problem with the series. It's shit either way.

 

[luj1]

Avowed isn't looking that good tbh

no shit

its a skyrim clone in the worst world possible (eora)

 

[luj1]

TB/RTwP wasn't the problem with the series. It's shit either way.

True and soyer lowkey admitted that

 

[Morality Games]

It's all academic in the first place. The initial instinct of the game development community in response to the seismic commercial and critical event that was BG3 was the wave the white flag and tell gamers not to expect any other game to ever be like BG3.

Dunno if that will stick the longer BG3 shows its legs and the more the bean counters have to process its success, but the Lord of the Rings Trilogy' success didn't result in a golden age of fantasy epics. It took decades and Game of Thrones before people even began to seriously reflect on trying to reproduce it.

 

[Fedora Master]

We all know they'll learn the entirely wrong lessons from BG3

 

[9ted6]

We all know they'll learn the entirely wrong lessons from BG3

Were there even any good lessons? Aside from how to successfully sell your fetish game to unsuspecting normies.