What happened to "mature" art direction? Everything is Overwatch now

[Lord_Potato]

Nudity can be perfectly natural.
Why is nudity and some boobs and ass here and there a problem, but gore, blood and violence isn't?

Typically American phenomenon, a mix of puritanism and love for guns and violence.

 

[Saint_Proverbius]

Why is nudity and some boobs and ass here and there a problem, but gore, blood and violence isn't?

Gore and violence is the majority of what's been bitched about when it comes to video games since the 1980s. It wasn't until recently that they started bitching about T&A in games, and that has a lot to do with feminism and the Big Gay Push. Look at Sony and The Last of Us 2. Sony had been restricting skimpy outfits and jiggly boobs, but allowed that gay sex scene in Last of Us 2.

 

[Alienman]

TLOU

The TLOU games, both of them actually, have the best gore and ragdoll effects I have seen in any action game. They keep momentum in death, which makes the death scenes look very realistic, and the wounds from weapons are gruesome. Grenades don't just pop limbs off, they disintegrate parts of their body. And blood will pile up where they lay. Very good gore, shame about the rest of TLOU 2 however.

But I don't mind if excessive gore is missing, I mostly want wound decals from firearms and good ragdoll. I can live without cutting for heads etc, especially when the fidelity is so realistic nowadays (in certain games that is).

 

[NecroLord]

Why is nudity and some boobs and ass here and there a problem, but gore, blood and violence isn't?

Gore and violence is the majority of what's been bitched about when it comes to video games since the 1980s. It wasn't until recently that they started bitching about T&A in games, and that has a lot to do with feminism and the Big Gay Push. Look at Sony and The Last of Us 2. Sony had been restricting skimpy outfits and jiggly boobs, but allowed that gay sex scene in Last of Us 2.

I remember the likes of Manhunt and Grand Theft Auto and the controversies they caused...
Manhunt's a really great game actually.
Hell, even the great Doom was controversial.

 

[Morpheus Kitami]

Gore and nudity are red herrings. The classics did not need and sex to have a great art direction and having gore and nudity would not make Overwatch and their ilk better. In the wrong hands it's a crutch used to make a work that's juvenile just seem moreso. Despite some arguments here, the idea that such boobs+gore=mature is a very American bit of stupidity and often shows in the more low quality "mature" works.

 

[NecroLord]

Gore and nudity are red herrings. The classics did not need and sex to have a great art direction and having gore and nudity would not make Overwatch and their ilk better. In the wrong hands it's a crutch used to make a work that's juvenile just seem moreso. Despite some arguments here, the idea that such boobs+gore=mature is a very American bit of stupidity and often shows in the more low quality "mature" works.

Indeed.
Boobs and Gore do not strictly make something "mature"...
Like I said, nudity can be perfectly natural. No reason to go ballistic when seeing a hot broad showing her titties and butt.

 

[Saint_Proverbius]

the idea that such boobs+gore=mature

You can thank the ESRB for picking the word "mature" for their 17+ rating. From the context, I think we know what they're talking about. They're not talking about being wise when they use that word.

 

[Iucounu]

I don't know any artists (painters) depicting real gore in their artworks. Are there any (besides cartoons, maybe)?

 

[tritosine2k]

Gore is related to visceral trope
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/EvilIsVisceral
what you want is "grit"

Ninja scroll is both though.

 

[luj1]

I don't know any artists (painters) depicting real gore in their artworks. Are there any (besides cartoons, maybe)?

Bro Caravaggio literally painted decapitated heads with blood spurting out... pretty sure there are others as well. Oh yeah, Rembrandt

 

[anvi]

I think it's cheaper to look cartoony so the world of gaming leaned into that, especially the indie world. And it suits the young generation who are all effeminate and childlike themselves.

 

[luj1]

Gore is related to visceral trope
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/EvilIsVisceral
what you want is "grit"

Ninja scroll is both though.

One of the best animes ever created. And never surpassed

 

[Iucounu]

I don't know any artists (painters) depicting real gore in their artworks. Are there any (besides cartoons, maybe)?

Bro Caravaggio literally painted decapitated heads with blood spurting out... pretty sure there are others as well. Oh yeah, Rembrandt

Sure, but that's pretty weak by today's video game standards. Clearly the artists showed restraint. Or maybe they were just limited by the medium (no animations).

 

[n0denz]

Typically American phenomenon, a mix of puritanism and love for guns and violence.

I'm not saying that I agree with the following, but I think the subconscious logic is that violence is omnipresent in life starting at a young age whereas sexuality is not.

 

[Lord_Potato]

Typically American phenomenon, a mix of puritanism and love for guns and violence.

I'm not saying that I agree with the following, but I think the subconscious logic is that violence is omnipresent in life starting at a young age whereas sexuality is not.

Yeah, this logic does not make sen... oh well, I guess it makes sense for America with its constant school schootings.

At least when it comes to violence, because sexuality is also omnipresent.

 

[Hydro]

Gore is related to visceral trope
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/EvilIsVisceral
what you want is "grit"

Ninja scroll is both though.

One of the best animes ever created. And never surpassed

Yes. Curiously enough weebs I interacted with never even heard of it.

 

[luj1]

weebs I interacted with never even heard of it

people who never heard of Ninja Scroll aren't even worthy of being called anime fans

 

[Hydro]

weebs I interacted with never even heard of it

people who never heard of Ninja Scroll aren't even worthy of being called anime fans

As easy as to be called a gamer and playing only garbage. Many such cases.

 

[luj1]

I know. I am not even an anime head, but I watched the best...

 

[Lyric Suite]

Typically American phenomenon, a mix of puritanism and love for guns and violence.

I'm not saying that I agree with the following, but I think the subconscious logic is that violence is omnipresent in life starting at a young age whereas sexuality is not.

Violence doesn't corrupt as much as sexuality does.

You can show shit like Robocop to a 10 year old kid and feel uncomfortable doing it. Just the part where Peter Weller gets his arm blown off is pretty strong for a kid.

Show a kid an hardcore porno and you'll be a little MORE than uncomfortable, wouldn't you say?

This "haha 'Murican puritanism is so retarded" is a trope degenerate leftists came up with, you know, the same people who are now shoving books about anal sex in kindergarten. Sex in media is absolutely worse than violence.

 

[NecroLord]

Sex in media is absolutely worse than violence.

Harmful is the way in which it is presented because it is not natural.
Nudity can be natural.

 

[VerSacrum]

Typically American phenomenon, a mix of puritanism and love for guns and violence.

I'm not saying that I agree with the following, but I think the subconscious logic is that violence is omnipresent in life starting at a young age whereas sexuality is not.

Violence doesn't corrupt as much as sexuality does.

You can show shit like Robocop to a 10 year old kid and feel uncomfortable doing it. Just the part where Peter Weller gets his arm blown off is pretty strong for a kid.

Show a kid an hardcore porno and you'll be a little MORE than uncomfortable, wouldn't you say?

This "haha 'Murican puritanism is so retarded" is a trope degenerate leftists came up with, you know, the same people who are now shoving books about anal sex in kindergarten. Sex in media is absolutely worse than violence.

Sexuality/Nudity doesn't have to mean hardcore porn. As someone who just wrote a fucking essay about classical art you should know this.

 

[NecroLord]

As someone who just wrote a fucking essay about classical art you should know this.

I think he tries way too hard at times...

 

[janior]

tasteful nudity is great

 

[Butter]

Typically American phenomenon, a mix of puritanism and love for guns and violence.

I'm not saying that I agree with the following, but I think the subconscious logic is that violence is omnipresent in life starting at a young age whereas sexuality is not.

Violence doesn't corrupt as much as sexuality does.

You can show shit like Robocop to a 10 year old kid and feel uncomfortable doing it. Just the part where Peter Weller gets his arm blown off is pretty strong for a kid.

Show a kid an hardcore porno and you'll be a little MORE than uncomfortable, wouldn't you say?

This "haha 'Murican puritanism is so retarded" is a trope degenerate leftists came up with, you know, the same people who are now shoving books about anal sex in kindergarten. Sex in media is absolutely worse than violence.

Sexuality/Nudity doesn't have to mean hardcore porn. As someone who just wrote a fucking essay about classical art you should know this.

Violence doesn't have to mean Paul Verhoeven levels of gore and brutality. Both are extremes. It's absolutely more important to teach children about violence than about sex.