Fiver said:
Sounds to me like you are just nitpicking, but, heh, whatever. Also, I liked the diverse town themes; while certainly different from the Fallout 1 world, Fallout 2's heterogeniety can be viewed in a positive light as well. Certainly, all the locales did in fact fit fairly well with 1950's Americana (the spagetti westerns, the post WW2 asian culture fetish, etc etc) and, IMHO, do not at all distract from the game at all.
I disagree, I felt they took markedly from the game. When I reached New Reno and found Tommy Guns, my first thought was "Wow! K3wl!!", my second thought was "Let's use them", my third thought was "Wow. Tommy Guns suck. They do bugger-all damage" my fourth thought "Actually, if they suck so much, why are these guys using them?" before I finally thought "What the hell are they doing in the game anyway? Aren't Tommy Guns a little outdated, I mean, if there are Assault Rifles and the like lying about, why use a Tommy Gun?".
I won't even talk about San Francisco and the whole rather cheesy Chinese thing that was happening. Perhaps, if I'd played FO2 first, I wouldn't mind, but after playing such an intense game-world as Fallout 1, believe me, you notice it. You really do notice the departure form "real-world" explanations into fairy land stuff.
Fiver said:
I liked the pop culture references. I mean, heh, sure, maybe it had alot more than Fallout 1. But, hey, Fallout 2 was alot bigger than Fallout 1, so whatever you know?
For me, they were too many but more importantly, too obvious. FO1's references were subtle. Doctor Who's the Tardis as a Special Encounter, only found if you had a high luck. Even then, it just disappeared when you got to it. Unless you knew about Doctor Who, it didn't make sense. On the other hand, FO2 had Skynet as the name for a major computer. An obvious reference to an obvious movie. It came across as far too pathetic. Couldn't they have tried harder to pick a better name?
Then there were the TWO, count them, TWO references to Silence of the Lambs. A Doctor Hannibal with notes in Sierra Base I think, and then the Liver quest. Not funny at all. By that stage, I just rolled my eyes and ploughed on.
Fiver said:
I liked the weapon selection.
Too many, many of them were useless, many of them were found at the end, all at once. Not spread-out evenly throughout the game.
Fiver said:
I mean, we can nitpick and whine and moan over every little facet of everything but, in the end, Fallout 2 was a fun experience. I replay it often and many people herald it as a fine example of what crpgs should be.
No. Not to me. The Quake-like, shoot 'em out ending? ALL those references? Finding the Cafe of Broken Dreams TWICE because of an apparent bug? No thanks. Fallout 1 with it's tighter story, better ending, MULTIPLE ways to finish. FO1 is the prime example of a CRPG to me.
If you want to read more, here's the original post I made after playing Fallout 2 back in March 2001.
Fallout 2 sadly disappointing.
Fiver said:
I hate to burst your little bubble but you are just flat out wrong here. Movie stars of this era found it shiek to eat sushi and asian food eateries were at a new hieght in popularity. Look to the Bond film "You Only Live Twice (admittedly in the early 60s, however, indicative of trends which started in the FIFTIES)." In that movie, Bond disguises himself as a japanese man and storms the bad guys fortress with over 200 ninja HELPING him. It sure as hell didnt take "a few decades" for the US to get heavily interested in asian culture. Additionally, a strong commentary about this is made in the book by Philip K. Dick titled "The Man in High Castle." I suggest you read it. So, maybe you should try not talking out of your *** if you dont know your own damn history.
Uhhh... You know Fallout lore right? China and the US attacked each other. That's why it's a wasteland. You really think there's going to be lots of love shared there? Those San Frans should've been hated to death, going by Fallout LORE.
Fiver said:
-I'm sorry, but your pompous little attitude is NOT indearing me to your less than perfect point. Your only gripes with FO2 lie in how it is different from FO1 not at all in how it fairs against other RPGs at large. Im sorry, but I dont want to play the same game over and over for all existence even if that means inconviniencing your silly sensibilites. FO2 was a fine game, it was true to its setting and if you would get off your little high horse you might realize that.
If you got off your high horse, you might realise that FO2 WASN'T true to the Fallout setting as it is detailed and shown in Fallout 1. It may have been a fine game to someone who likes that kind of thing, but to someone who played and loved Fallout 1, no, they f**ked it. Sorry.
Fiver said:
-As has been said, most people tend to pass the game in the low twenties.
Most people? Can I see the results of this survey please?
Fivar said:
I dunno what is wrong with you, man, but, heh, if anyone needs a personality rehall...or a personality in general.... Yes, sure, there was some strong anti japanese sentiment BUT any student of history worth his salt knows how to read past that and look at greater socialogical patterns.
Anyone who's played Fallout 1 should know that there ain't no love between US and China. Forget the real-world for a moment sunshine, remember the Fallout one. That's where this game takes place, not in the real world.
Fivar said:
As I stated, film stars and others often went against these ill-feelings against the far east by actively being seen and filmed at far eastern dineries; Eastern styled cuisines became very popular amongst diners at large; eastern trinkets become in vogue. Furthermore, according to your warped logic the sentiments expressed in You Only Live Twice somehow miraculously sprang up in the sixties (also, make sure to remember that while the movie was released in 67, it began production before that and its screenplay was done sometime before filming). In truth, as I attempted to state, this is a result of social change which began in the 50s. Once again, I strongly suggest you take a look at some literature on the subject because, quite frankly, you dont know jack ("A Man in High Castle" is a good place to start, it is actually historical fiction in which the japanese win the war; however, it helps act as a mirror for true american culture after the war). See, social change is very organic. Things do not simply happen. For a better understanding of how to look at and understand history in general, I would like to point you towards Carr's "What is History?" This is small book helps in a big way, trust me. It helps explain not only the historians place in history but also how to better view history.
I uhhh... Think you're forgetting the game world again. Everything in there is irrelevant to the Fallout World.
Fivar said:
Also, small jibs and jibes are understandable, but being a total prick isnt. Mind getting some maturity? I mean, all your little comments are obviously some juvenile attempt to poke at my pride. "Oooh, he likes Deus Ex, he has kooties, neener neener neener..." Jesus, gimme a break.
Uhhh.. Fivar, you started it mate. Back
here. Saint used a smiley at the end of that "Yeah, damn me for expecting the same level of quality in a sequel. :D" or did you miss that?
Fivar said:
Look buddy, who wrote this:
"Many people also like NWN, which was fairly pitiful as far as I'm concerned. Most of the people out there don't notice the detail of things, they're only concerned with how fast they can level up and what cool items they can get along the way. Fallout 2 is a fine example of going from a good CRPG to a monty hauler."
Hey, its damn natural for one person to sling a little mud back after having some shoved down there throat.
Which is what Saint's doing, dipshit. You're forgetting again.
Fivar said:
MOST of your damn comments indirectly insult those who enjoy those things you dont like.
..and vice versa for you. You wouldn't look like a dickhead If you hadn't pulled the shit first.
