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Metal is just like RPGs, there are tons of subgenres and the ones that are liked by mainstream people are considered horrible abominations by the hardcore fans. The reaction of a metalhead to some dumbed down mainstream pseudo-metal shit is the same as the reaction of a Codexer to a game that is called RPG even though stats don't mean anything, combat is twitchy and there are no choices at all. With the only difference that the metal scene still has people who make real metal music and journalists who can write proper reviews, while the RPG scene is slowly dying out and being stamped on by the mainstream devs.
 

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Jaime Lannister said:
How can metal fans like that throat-growling shit and live with themselves?

Most singers actually use their stomach to growl, using the throat just makes it sore.

Also, not all metal is growling, there are multiple subgenres. It's like saying all RPGs are dungeon crawlers.
 

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In the beginning there was silence and darkness
All across the earth
Then came the wind and a hole in the sky
Thunder and lightning came crashing down
Hit the earth and split the ground
Fire burned high in the sky

from down below fire melted the stone
The ground shook and started to pound


The gods made heavy metal and they saw that it was good
They said to play it louder than hell
We promised that we would
When losers say its over with you know that its a lie
The gods made heavy metal and its never gonna die


We are the true believers
Its our turn to show the world
In the fire of heavy metal we were burned
Its more than our religion its the only way to live
But the enemies of metal we cant forgive

Cause we believe in the power and the might
And the gods who made metal are with us tonight


The gods made heavy metal and they saw that it was good
They said to play it louder than hell
We promised that we would
When losers say its over with you know that its a lie
The gods made heavy metal and its never gonna die


We believe in the power and the might
And the gods who made metal are with us tonight

Were here tonight for heavy metal are you ready in the hall
They have chosen us and we have heard the call
Gonna tear the roof off with out sound

Crack the walls and shake the ground
Fight tonight for metal one and all
Cause we believe in the power and the might
And the gods who made metal are with us tonight


The gods made heavy metal and they saw that it was good
They said to play it louder than hell
We promised that we would
When losers say its over with you know that its a lie
The gods made heavy metal and its never gonna die
 

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JarlFrank

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lol, you sound butthurt

Actually, I do like ManOwaR. All of their stuff. But the old albums were the best, and their campy 80's barbarian outfits were really amusing.
 

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JarlFrank said:
Metal is just like RPGs, there are tons of subgenres and the ones that are liked by mainstream people are considered horrible abominations by the hardcore fans. The reaction of a metalhead to some dumbed down mainstream pseudo-metal shit is the same as the reaction of a Codexer to a game that is called RPG even though stats don't mean anything, combat is twitchy and there are no choices at all. With the only difference that the metal scene still has people who make real metal music and journalists who can write proper reviews, while the RPG scene is slowly dying out and being stamped on by the mainstream devs.

The barrier to entry isn't exactly the same, is it ?
I'll take Burzum as an example.
What it takes to make recognized undagwound metal is an electric guitar, bass, a drum set and one man. No talent required, while some metalheads are very good at what they do even mediocre players are recognized as great undagwound metalheads as long as they sound dark and gritty.
Burzum is very popular among the undagwound elite that loves to bash mainstream music and its riffs could be played by a three years old on a 200$ guitar.

Now, creating a RPG worthy of the codex praise, on the other hand, that's not quite the same thing.
 
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In the beginning there was straightness and fatness
All across the earth
Then came the goatse and a hole in the ass
Multi-headed dicks came crashing down
Hit the ass and split the cheeks
Boners burned high in the sky

from down below fire in my crotch
The dicks grew erect and started to pound

The gods made up dicklicking and they saw it was gay
They said to do it more than we fucked
And so we made that our way
When breeders say it's way too queer you know that they're fags
'Cause dicklicking's for manly men who're never on the rag

We are the true fellaters
We have such sexy buns
In the fire of gonorrhea we were burned
It's more than our religion its the only way to live
But the enemies of gayness we cannot lick

Cause we believe in the power of the cock
And the gods who made dicklicking will fuck us tonight

The gods made up dicklicking and they saw it was gay
They said to do it more than we fucked
And so we made that our way
When breeders say it's way too queer you know that they're fags
'Cause dicklicking's for manly men who're never on the rag

Cause we believe in the power of the cock
And the gods who made dicklicking will fuck us tonight

We're here tonight for gayness, are you ready in the hall
They have chosen us and we have hairy balls
Gonna blow the roof off with our spurt

Crack the cheeks and fuck the ass
Fuck tonight for gayness one and all
Cause we believe in the power of the cock
And the gods who made dicklicking will fuck us tonight

The gods made up dicklicking and they saw it was gay
They said to do it more than we fucked
And so we made that our way
When breeders say it's way too queer you know that they're fags
'Cause dicklicking's for manly men who're never on the rag
 

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I tend to scoff at those unfortunate philistines who utter things like “rap isn’t real music,” or “R&B is pure crap.” I tend to scoff at a lot of things, but those guys get deep scoffs, from the diaphragm. Genres are far too broad and diverse to be encompassed by such generalizations, right? I want to believe that no genre is inherently bad; most of them are quickly ruined by musicians, but the genres themselves contain some spark of an ideal that can’t be corrupted. I try to make myself believe that, but one thing always gets in my way: heavy metal.

I’ve never found the metal counterexample. If there’s one metal track out there that disproves the notion that all metal is complete fucking crap, I’d absolutely love to hear it. I would rest easy for the remainder of my days, comforted by the knowledge that my jolly, populist theories about music were confirmed. I’ve been searching for a non-horrible metal song like the Holy Grail, but whenever I find a cup to drink from, my face melts off like the Nazi in The Last Crusade.

And no, metalheads, I’m not referring to the awesome power of Dragonforce’s face-melting riffs. You’re an idiot.

(Let me define my terms here: bluesy hard-rock protometal like Zeppelin or Aerosmith is not what I’m talking about; that sucks for overlapping but nonidentical reasons. Nu-metal and rap metal are arguably even worse than vanilla metal, but they’re not the subjects of this article. Particularly, I’m referring to anything from Iron Maiden onward: 80s British shit, thrash, death metal, black metal, power metal, et cetera ad nauseum. Maybe not hair metal; in retrospect, it had its moments.)

What metal looks like to me. But in my futile longing to grasp that modest chalice, I’ve suffered quite a bit of metal. I used to think it was my fault that I found it so unfathomable. I wondered if some mental defect kept be from enjoying this vast cornucopia of music, from the troll-worshipingest death metal to the sword-swingingest glory metal, and everything between. I couldn’t understand Pantera, I didn’t get Iron Maiden, and I couldn’t fucking stand Metallica. As I grew older and more confident in the fact that most people other than me are idiots, it became clear that the defect wasn’t mine.

In all these years, I haven’t seen a single satisfactory shred of evidence that heavy metal doesn’t suck completely and utterly. I haven’t heard any metal band isn’t composed of stunted adolescence, half-assed rebellion, tongue-in-cheek stupidity, masturbatory pap, tuneless dirge, juvenile morbidity, retarded sexuality, or some nauseating combination of those elements. I haven’t heard a single defense of its artistry that made a shred of sense. I haven’t heard a “serious” metal song that didn’t sound comical. I haven’t heard a fantasy metal song with anything fucking interesting to say about dragons. I haven’t heard anything, seen anything, read anything or met anyone who could convince me that metal, as a whole, is not artistically bankrupt, direly uncool, and irredeemably fucking dumb. Not most of it. All of it.

It’s based on a kind of stupidity that I find impossible to comprehend. It looks and sounds so fundamentally opposite to art that my brain reels when I even try to consider the idea of enjoying it. It’s so incomprehensible to me that I sometimes get the feeling that it’s all a huge joke that everyone else is in on but me.

Yes, I’m talking about an extremely vast, overarching genre encompassing countless subgenres and thousands of bands that I’ve never even heard or heard of. Yes, I’m talking about something I don’t understand. Yes, I’m painting the dumbest fantasy metal and the most intricate symphonic metal in the same broad stroke.

Maybe you listen to British metal from the early 80s, or you only listen to thrash, or you only listen to glory metal “ironically.” I don’t care. I’m saying it’s all stupid as hell. I’m saying you’re stupid as hell if you like it. I’m saying you’re stupid as hell even if, maybe especially if, you like it even though you know it’s stupid as hell.

Oh no, you've offended me.It may seem like I’m shooting fish in a barrel here. Metal is, with a few exceptions, critically ignored and popularly derided. Aside from holdover metal stars like Metallica, the above-ground music press couldn’t give a single shit about metal; it’s music for misfit nerds, sociopaths, big-haired whores and mulleted heshers. Cool wouldn’t touch metal with a ten foot pole, and metalheads are so hopelessly uncool that they’ve developed their own laughable little chic around leather and headbanging. Despite all this, people continue to defend metal as an art and a lifestyle. Even people who “don’t take metal seriously” often take it really fucking seriously.

I consider myself a public servant, so it always fills my heart with pride when I turn someone away from their shitty taste. Unfortunately, this article can’t do that. Metal fans are simply too entrenched in their own art-killing quagmire to be swayed by any rational argument. Their synapses are too brutalized by bluntness to recognize subtlety ever again; real music may be forever useless to them. I’m not asking them to stop listening to metal. I’m asking them to shut the fuck up about it forever.

Stop tainting our discussions. When the grown-ups are talking about real music, stay the fuck out of it. If we’re talking about our favorite singers, we don’t care about how low your Christ-slaughtering Norwegian boyfriend can croak. If we’re talking about our favorite guitarists, zip up your stupid fucking mouth, because nobody gives a shit how fast your favorite metal guitar-secretary can type gibberish on a fretboard. “Pretend” that metal isn’t music. “Pretend” that metal is something else altogether, and that you have nothing to add to a discussion about music, because we’re talking about something entirely fucking different.

I only say “pretend” because “realize” might be too strong a word for these hopeless dorks.

Anyway: just leave us alone, weirdoes. Don’t even e-mail me to complain about this article. In fact, let me deflect some points you’ll try to make:


Millions of people in around the world love metal.

Billions of people think those millions of people are either insane or stupid. Shall we take a vote?



You just don’t understand the appeal of metal.

No, I don’t, and I’ve become content with that. I don’t understand the appeal of dressing up like a baby and pooping on oneself, either, but tons of people love it, and I don’t give a Texas shit why they love it, and their explanations will fall on deaf ears. Like metalheads, adult baby dudes are just plain broken in the head, and I don’t need them spreading their creepy pathology.



The metal genre is home to some technically talented musical virtuosos.

I have to laugh when I hear metalheads complain that some of the best pure musicians of our time are being ignored and neglected by the ivory-tower establishment just because they play in the metal genre. Here, it’s simple: imagine if William Butler Yeats only wrote poems about dogs eating peanut butter, and if he used only the same fifteen or twenty words in every single poem. People who espouse the shredding merits of metal guitarists and the double-bass technique of metal drummers crack me the fuck up. Maybe they also think books are better when they have lots of pages.



Symphonic metal is extremely sophisticated and carries on the tradition of classical music.

You can’t tell Frank Frazetta from William Blake. Congratulations, you’re stupid.



I enjoy metal because of its dark, creepy, intense aesthetic.

You have a mental age of thirteen. If your brain doesn’t process metal aesthetics as purely comical, then you’re truly beyond intervention. If you have even the smallest scrap of respect for any aspect of metal music, lyrics, fashion, or album cover art, you are so aesthetically stunted that you might as well be a spotty junior high kid drawing barbarian dudes with battle axes and huge tits on your trapper keeper. If you love metal for its capacity to shock old people and oversensitive Christians, you’re an immature halfwit who thinks that offending people is the same as making a point.



I just like the way it sounds. You can’t say your taste is better than mine, because it’s subjective.

Metal is so awful that it goes far beyond questions of taste. Liking metal is a mental illness, although I'm sure you'll wear that accusation with pride (don't). It makes me wonder what the fuck your parents did to you. You’re sick and I can’t cure you, so don’t waste my time.



I don’t take metal seriously, I just think it’s fun.

Search deep within your soul. Is there any part of you that takes metal seriously, even a little bit? Have you ever purchased a metal album with real money for any reason other than to laugh at it? Is more than 20% of the music you listen to metal? Is there any metal band in this world that you care enough about that you’d be sad if they broke up or died in a fiery car crash? If you answered “yes” to any of these questions, please reevaluate your taste before it’s too late.



As a frustrated and troubled youth, the metal community gave me a place to fit in.

Most of the worst subcultures in the world (gangs, cults, internet forums) thrive on accepting the lowest members of the social food chain. The fact that you were insufferable to anyone but metalheads doesn’t mean that there’s anything good about metal, it just means that dweebs tolerate other dweebs out of necessity.



I like metal, but I’m not a nerd or an idiot.

In fact, you are the worst kind of nerd or idiot: the kind that doesn’t know he or she is a nerd or idiot.



But here, listen to THIS metal song. It’ll change your mind.

No, dickhead, it won’t, and I resent the very fact that you think I might enjoy it.



What about Ronnie James fuckin Dio? You can’t deny the ROCK.

No. Stop. You’re embarrassing yourself.

I hope I’ve made myself perfectly clear. Questions or comments regarding metal can be sent straight up your ass. Anything else can be sent to davidthorpe@somethingawful.com.

All that ever needs to be said about the entire fucking genre has been said right here.
 
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Admiral jimbob said:
I read a couple of your band sucks entries and got annoyed. I thought it was just because they were bands I liked, then I read the entries about Tool and someone else and realised it was just shitty and stupid.

It's SomethingAwful....it sucks more dicks than a Vietnamese hooker on GI payday.
 

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There's a Sonic the Hedgehog forum like that. You have to answer a bunch of questions about extremely arcane Sonic the Hedgehog knowledge about the development of the original games, bugs, missing content, trivia about the developers themselves, stuff like that. It was pretty funny.

IN ORDER TO YIFF ON THIS FORUM YOU MUST BE TRV KVLT
 

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I have been wondering that for a couple of times now kc.. do you recently happen to copy-paste some of your postcontent you post here, or at least sometimes?
It's all so strange!
 

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I tend to scoff at those unfortunate philistines who utter things like “4chan is for mongoloids,” or “ESF is pure crap.” I tend to scoff at a lot of things, but those guys get deep scoffs, from the diaphragm. Forums are far too broad and diverse to be encompassed by such generalizations, right? I want to believe that no forum is inherently bad; most of them are quickly ruined by posters, but the forums themselves contain some spark of an ideal that can’t be corrupted. I try to make myself believe that, but one thing always gets in my way: RPGCodex.net.

I’ve never found the codex counterexample. If there’s one codex post out there that disproves the notion that all the codex is complete fucking crap, I’d absolutely love to read it. I would rest easy for the remainder of my days, comforted by the knowledge that my jolly, populist theories about the internet were confirmed. I’ve been searching for a non-horrible codex topic like the Holy Grail, but whenever I find a cup to drink from, my face melts off like the Nazi in The Last Crusade.

And no, codexers, I’m not referring to the awesome power of Wyrmlord’s face-melting rants. You’re an idiot.

(Let me define my terms here: other hardcore RPG forums out there like RPGWatch or NMA are not what I’m talking about; those suck for overlapping but nonidentical reasons. [Lie] Terra Arcanum and Tacticular Cancer are arguably even worse than the codex itself, but they’re not the subjects of this article. Particularly, I’m referring to anything from Kingcomrade onward: post-2005 tranny shit, Trash, Dark Matter, niggers, Chefe’s alts, et cetera ad nauseum. Maybe not Satori; in retrospect, he had his moments.)

What the codex looks like to me. But in my futile longing to grasp that modest chalice, I’ve suffered quite a bit of the codex. I used to think it was my fault that I found it so unfathomable. I wondered if some mental defect kept be from enjoying this vast cornucopia of anger, from the troll-infested GD to the perpetual butthurt of RPG discussion, and everything between. I couldn’t understand Andhaira, I didn’t get Racofer, and I couldn’t fucking stand Sheek. As I grew older and more confident in the fact that most people other than me are idiots, it became clear that the defect wasn’t mine.

In all these years, I haven’t seen a single satisfactory shred of evidence that RPGCodex doesn’t suck completely and utterly. I haven’t read any codex thread isn’t composed of stunted adolescence, half-assed rebellion, tongue-in-cheek stupidity, masturbatory pap, banal loathing, juvenile morbidity, retarded sexuality, or some nauseating combination of those elements. I haven’t heard a single defense of its non-faggotry that made a shred of sense. I haven’t read a “serious” codex paragraph that didn’t sound comical. I haven’t heard a fantasy RPG bashing with anything fucking interesting to say about dragons. I haven’t heard anything, seen anything, read anything or met anyone who could convince me that the codex, as a whole, is not mentally bankrupt, direly uncool, and irredeemably fucking dumb. Not most of it. All of it.

It’s based on a kind of stupidity that I find impossible to comprehend. It looks and sounds so fundamentally opposite to intelligence that my brain reels when I even try to consider the idea of enjoying it. It’s so incomprehensible to me that I sometimes get the feeling that it’s all a huge joke that everyone else is in on but me.

Yes, I’m talking about an extremely vast, overarching forum encompassing countless boards and thousands of threads that I’ve never even skimmed through or heard of. Yes, I’m talking about something I don’t understand. Yes, I’m painting the dumbest Oblivion praise and the most intricate HL2 critique in the same broad stroke.

Maybe you follow Let’s Plays of old adventure games , or you only demand that Annie reveal her tits once in a while, or you only bookmark Andhaira’s topics “ironically.” I don’t care. I’m saying it’s all stupid as hell. I’m saying you’re stupid as hell if you like it. I’m saying you’re stupid as hell even if, maybe especially if, you like it even though you know it’s stupid as hell.

Oh no, you've offended me. It may seem like I’m shooting fish in a barrel here. The codex is, with a few exceptions, critically ignored and popularly derided. Aside from holdover codex stars like Volourn, the above-ground internet press couldn’t give a single shit about it; it’s a forum for misfit nerds, sociopaths, big-haired whores and mulleted heshers. Cool wouldn’t touch the codex with a ten foot pole, and codexers are so hopelessly uncool that they’ve developed their own laughable little chic around multi-headed dicks and plane tickets. Despite all this, people continue to defend the codex as literature and a lifestyle. Even people who “don’t take the codex seriously” often take it really fucking seriously.

I consider myself a public servant, so it always fills my heart with pride when I turn someone away from their shitty taste. Unfortunately, this article can’t do that. Codex posters are simply too entrenched in their own art-killing quagmire to be swayed by any rational argument. Their synapses are too brutalized by bluntness to recognize subtlety ever again; real intelligent discussion may be forever useless to them. I’m not asking them to stop posting on the codex. I’m asking them to shut the fuck up about it forever.

Stop tainting our discussions. When the grown-ups are talking about serious business, stay the fuck out of it. If we’re talking about our favorite singers, we don’t care about how much you enjoy playing Quake Live. If we’re talking about our favorite guitarists, zip up your stupid fucking mouth, because nobody gives a shit how there are as many trannies as females on your boards. “Pretend” that the codex isn’t real. “Pretend” that that forum is something else altogether, and that you have nothing to add to a discussion about anything, because we’re talking about something entirely fucking different.

I only say “pretend” because “realize” might be too strong a word for these hopeless dorks.

Anyway: just leave us alone, weirdoes. Don’t even e-mail me to complain about this article. In fact, let me deflect some points you’ll try to make:


Tens of people in around the world love the codex.

Billions of people think those tens of people are either insane or stupid. Shall we take a vote?



You just don’t understand the appeal of the codex.

No, I don’t, and I’ve become content with that. I don’t understand the appeal of dressing up like a woman and cutting off my dick, either, but tons of people love it, and I don’t give a Texas shit why they love it, and their explanations will fall on deaf ears. Like codexers, transvestites are just plain broken in the head, and I don’t need them spreading their creepy pathology.



The codex’boards are home to some culturally learned intellectual savants.

I have to laugh when I hear codexers complain that some of the best posters of our time are being ignored and neglected by the Iron Tower establishment just because they post on the codex forums. Here, it’s simple: imagine if H. P. Lovecraft only wrote stories about Jews eating peanut butter, and if he used mostly the same three words in every single paragraph (banal, shit, boring). People who espouse the bashing merits Skyway or Racofer and the national-socialist technique of Higher Game or Nomask crack me the fuck up. Maybe they also think dicks are better when they have lots of heads and hit ass and leg.



Mask of the Betrayer is extremely sophisticated and carries on the tradition of Planescape.

You can’t tell Todd Howard from David Gaider. Congratulations, you’re stupid.



I enjoy the codex because of its dark, creepy, intense aesthetic.

You have a mental age of thirteen. If your brain doesn’t process codexian aesthetics as purely comical, then you’re truly beyond intervention. If you have even the smallest scrap of respect for any aspect of codexian memes, signatures, avatars, or song lyrics posted in threads, you are so aesthetically stunted that you might as well be a spotty junior high kid drawing barbarian dudes with battle axes and huge tits on your trapper keeper. If you love the codex for its capacity to shock old people and oversensitive Christians, you’re an immature halfwit who thinks that offending people is the same as making a point.



I just like the way it looks. You can’t say your taste is better than mine, because it’s subjective.

The codex is so awful that it goes far beyond questions of taste. Liking that place is a mental illness, although I'm sure you'll wear that accusation with pride (don't). It makes me wonder what the fuck your parents did to you. You’re sick and I can’t cure you, so don’t waste my time.



I don’t take the codex seriously, I just think it’s fun.

Search deep within your soul. Is there any part of you that takes the codex seriously, even a little bit? Have you ever torrented a Bioware game for any reason other than thoroughly enjoy it for what it is? Are more than 20% of the games you play from before 1994? Do all studios in this world eventually sell out and make dumbed-down shit? If you answered “yes” to any of these questions, please reevaluate your taste before it’s too late.



As a frustrated and troubled youth, the codex community gave me a place to fit in.

Most of the worst subcultures in the world (furries, niggers, internet forums :D) thrive on accepting the lowest members of the social food chain. The fact that you were insufferable to anyone but other codexers doesn’t mean that there’s anything good about it, it just means that dweebs tolerate other dweebs out of necessity.



I like the codex, but I’m not a nerd or an idiot.

In fact, you are the worst kind of nerd or idiot: the kind that doesn’t know he or she is a nerd or idiot.



But here, read to THIS post. It’ll change your mind.

No, dickhead, it won’t, and I resent the very fact that you think I might enjoy it.



What about Cleveland Mark fuckin Blakemore? You can’t deny the ÜBERMENSCH.

No. Stop. You’re embarrassing yourself.

I hope I’ve made myself perfectly clear. Questions or comments regarding the codex can be sent straight up your ass. Anything else can be sent to Retardo Land.

All that ever needs to be said about this entire fucking forum has been said right here.
 

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