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[Jonathan "Zee Nekomimi]

Plus the child rape thing

The director case?

 

[Non-Edgy Gamer]

Yes, all loli userpics should be deleted from the gallery. Replace them with the most withered old man you can find in all of anime.

DarkUnderlord make it happen.

 

[MLMarkland]

1) Ai generates a specific and indistinguishable from a minor piece of CP and then runs a cel-shader over it — is this CP?

Ok, well, none of this is legal advice of any kind (obviously), and I recommend anyone seeking real legal advice hire an attorney and not just listen to some asshole on the internet with an Avernum profile pic. That said...

That scenario you gave is art that's created from an image of a real minor.

Generative AI art is trained off a large database of images. Some of those images may be of minors, but here's the important part: those images DO NOT EXIST inside the model. The model has merely learned what a child is. And probably poorly at that.

It's the difference between an artist knowing how to draw a child in general, and an artist taking a real image of a real child and then tracing it.

E.g., would you try to put a Renaissance artist in prison for drawing a cherub? No? Same thing, just will an alien-headed vampire animu girl.

2) The word “actual” in CIPA references whether an ordinary person would believe the image depicted an “actual minor” in the sense that the subject in the image is “indistinguishable from a minor” regardless of representational style — in the law it is explicit that a specific identification of unique minor is not required. Actual means “perceived to be indistinguishable from actual by an ordinary person.”

Yes, "actual". As in "real". Which this is clearly not.

Again, would you mistake that image of a 3-fingered loli showing off a snatch that consists of one line down her crotch for a real child engaging in a sexual act?

If someone drew a line on a Barbie doll pelvis and told you it was a 13yo girl, would you try to get them prosecuted for child porn?

Based on both 1 & 2, the advent of Ai means that an ordinary person cannot distinguish between any of the things under discussion, and as such, the mere invention of Ai and its deployment to public, changed the meaning of CIPA since the meaning is inherently subjective.

It was always subjective to some degree. IIRC, some states have thrown guys in prison for text based on on obscenity laws, which are even more subjective. And they did the same to Max Hardcore, who just made porn with 18+ whores who said things like "daddy", but were clearly adults. (What prosecutor did that guy piss off btw?)

Photoshop has existed for 3 decades now, and hyperrealist art has existed for longer. The idea that some bad hands image generator changes what people can and can't distinguish is an exaggeration at the very least.

If you make something that looks like a real photo of a real child, whether you do it by hand or with a computer, then you have a problem. If you made a computer generated image based on a photo of a real child, then you have a problem.

Until you do though, someone is probably going to have to change the law or ignore precedent in order to prosecute someone for it.

Generative ai can produce human images based on text prompts without remixing real images of humans.

Ai and deep fakes can also be used to launder CP into something that may appear to not be CP.

Both rendering the CIPA legally different in addition to the subjective indistinguishable clause.

“Actual” does not refer to a specific individual in its ordinate statutory clause, but rather the apparence of an individual indistinguishable from a “real & specific & identifiable” individual by an ordinary person — the meaning of which obviously changed once deep fakes and Ai exists. Note: Ai that is available is significantly more advanced than off-the-shelf consumer options today.

 

[Non-Edgy Gamer]

Generative ai can produce human images based on text prompts without remixing real images of humans.

Yes? They look real though. That's the distinguishing factor.

And again, there's no real human image they're being created from. Just the AI's learned patterns that are similar to a human's. No "remixing" is going on. I realize you understand this, but I'm stating it for clarity.

Ai and deep fakes can also be used to launder CP into something that may appear to not be CP.

Again, this is something created from a real image of a minor. Another factor. There's no requirement for it to look real in this case. Aren't they two different issues? Or are you saying that any image, even a stick figure, should be illegal so long as you *think* it *might* be drawn from a child?

You're taking two separate issues and conflating them, and then bringing up AI as a non sequitur. All of this has been possible without AI for 30+ years now. Photoshop in an artist's hands can create an image that's far more believable than anime created by any means. Did that fact change the definition of "indistinguishable" or "actual minor"?

“Actual” does not refer to a specific individual in its ordinate statutory clause

You keep repeating this, but I know. "Real", the way I was using it, doesn't either. It refers to something that appears to be an actual minor.

Simple question for you:

Does this look real to you? Does it look like an "actual minor"?

 

[Jonathan "Zee Nekomimi]

If I threaten to murder someone (even in Minecraft), is twiggy gonna sic the FBI on me?

Hopefully.

Implying he doesn't already have a MI5 agent assigned to him. On a unrelated note, i always say good night to my FBI handler supervisor.

 

[Non-Edgy Gamer]

Woah! Is that an ACTUAL CHILD FBI agent??

Amazing. I had no idea the FBI employed ACTUAL CHILDREN.

I mean, I guess she looks kind of like an anime character, but with the advent of AI, who can tell?

 

[Silverfish]

Woah! Is that an ACTUAL CHILD FBI agent??

Fingers crossed MLMarkland will make this the premise of his next movie.

 

[Non-Edgy Gamer]

Do you really think reporting RPGCodex to local authorities should be the first step?
Website providers should have a chance to clean up their site especially when they can't control what people post.

I'm saying that if you have to try to dox someone or hunt them down, they probably haven't done anything illegal.

 

[Jonathan "Zee Nekomimi]

Woah! Is that an ACTUAL CHILD FBI agent??

Amazing. I had no idea the FBI employed ACTUAL CHILDREN.

I mean, I guess she looks kind of like an anime character, but with the advent of AI, who can tell?

Nah, that's just the avatar he uses to go with the trend.

 

[Jonathan "Zee Nekomimi]

Woah! Is that an ACTUAL CHILD FBI agent??

Fingers crossed MLMarkland will make this the premise of his next movie.

Already exists.

 

[MLMarkland]

Do you really think reporting RPGCodex to local authorities should be the first step?
Website providers should have a chance to clean up their site especially when they can't control what people post.

I'm saying that if you have to try to dox someone or hunt them down, they probably haven't done anything illegal.

While I handle things with lawyers instead of juvenile things such as doxxing, you might want to check the murder clearance rate in big US cities before deciding that if someone hasn’t been caught they probably haven’t done anything illegal.

 

[Non-Edgy Gamer]

While I handle things with lawyers instead of juvenile things such as doxxing, you might want to check the murder clearance rate in big US cities before deciding that if someone hasn’t been caught they probably haven’t done anything illegal.

I didn't say anything about being caught. I'm saying that if whatever it is you want someone doxed for isn't illegal, it's probably not something you should be trying to dox them for. And if it is, you should call the real cops, not the internet police.

If you talk about things with civil damages or whatever, sure, that's another matter. But I don't think there are any civil damages from being butthurt by a poorly drawn anime loli online.

 

[MLMarkland]

While I handle things with lawyers instead of juvenile things such as doxxing, you might want to check the murder clearance rate in big US cities before deciding that if someone hasn’t been caught they probably haven’t done anything illegal.

I didn't say anything about being caught. I'm saying that if whatever it is you want someone doxed for isn't illegal, it's probably not something you should be trying to dox them for. And if it is, you should call the real cops, not the internet police.

If you talk about things with civil damages or whatever, sure, that's another matter. But I don't think there are any civil damages from being butthurt by a poorly drawn anime loli online.

I never talked about doxing anyone.

I’ve never doxed anyone.

I’ve never given 1 second of thought to doxing someone.

I’m 45 years old. Doxing is a millennial thing.

You are the one talking about doxing.

 

[Non-Edgy Gamer]

I never talked about doxing anyone.

I never said you did.

I’ve never doxed anyone.

Apart from yourself and constantly.

 

[MLMarkland]

I never talked about doxing anyone.

I never said you did.

I’ve never doxed anyone.

Apart from yourself and constantly.

I can’t dox myself. You can find my phone number and address online in dozens of places, corporate filings being the most obvious.

 

[Fedora Master]

Be careful, the staff understands doxxing even less than they do RPGs

 

[MerchantKing]

This is entertaining. I wonder how it's going to turn out.

 

[Vic]

oh wow I missed a whole page of posts.

 

[MerchantKing]

Simple question for you:

Does this look real to you? Does it look like an "actual minor"?

All Chinese cartoon characters with faces drawn in that style look like they're minors.

 

[Vic]

I’ve never given 1 second of thought to doxing someone.

You can snitch directly to me if it’s outside the SOL or LEO won’t do anything — I have a track record for years on this matter.

 

[Vic]

All Chinese cartoon characters with faces drawn in that style look like they're minors.

pretty sure it's supposed to be a minor. call the feds. now.

 

[King Crispy]

Jonathan, please stop showing your vagina ITT, thanks.

 

[Jonathan "Zee Nekomimi]

Jonathan, please stop showing your vagina ITT, thanks.

No i don't think i will.

 

[MerchantKing]

Jonathan, please stop showing your vagina ITT, thanks.

No i don't think i will.

Looks like a pedophilic idol.

 

[Modron]

Look just because Jon keeps that doll in a jar that he's been ejaculating in everyday for the last 6 months doesn't mean he's sexually attracted to it okay?