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bryce777
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Well, how long has torque been out? It takes a long time to make a full game, especially part time.
As to paid versus free and open source versus not:
Well, I can't imagine working with on it with anyone else unless I knew them fairly well and I knew a) technically they were quite good and had a similar background and would not just slow me down and b) we saw more or less eye to eye as to not just the goals but design philosophy and such. Otherwise I don't think it would buy me anything, especially if they quit 3 months in.
My plan for now is to make a game, but at the same time make all the tools necessary to make games in general. Easy tools that you don't need any programming experience at all to use that can be used to make a complete game. There are a lot of gaps in my knowledge still, especially on the art side of things, but I don't need to focus on that til later, anyhow.
Then, theoretically speaking people will buy my game and then make awesome mods which are a big draw to buy it. I suppose I could go into licensing separate games, as well, if there is a demand for that.
I would not want to release source for a few reasons. First off, I don't want people to try and hack it into something it's not but instead to personally incorporate requested features that make sense into the codebase. I also don't want to get into disputes or lose control of the codebase.
If I did ever release it it would be due to death coming up or severe illness (a real possibility) or just deciding to say fuck it and give it up to let any others who might want to take over.
As to paid versus free and open source versus not:
Well, I can't imagine working with on it with anyone else unless I knew them fairly well and I knew a) technically they were quite good and had a similar background and would not just slow me down and b) we saw more or less eye to eye as to not just the goals but design philosophy and such. Otherwise I don't think it would buy me anything, especially if they quit 3 months in.
My plan for now is to make a game, but at the same time make all the tools necessary to make games in general. Easy tools that you don't need any programming experience at all to use that can be used to make a complete game. There are a lot of gaps in my knowledge still, especially on the art side of things, but I don't need to focus on that til later, anyhow.
Then, theoretically speaking people will buy my game and then make awesome mods which are a big draw to buy it. I suppose I could go into licensing separate games, as well, if there is a demand for that.
I would not want to release source for a few reasons. First off, I don't want people to try and hack it into something it's not but instead to personally incorporate requested features that make sense into the codebase. I also don't want to get into disputes or lose control of the codebase.
If I did ever release it it would be due to death coming up or severe illness (a real possibility) or just deciding to say fuck it and give it up to let any others who might want to take over.
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AFAIK, the only Torque RPG that has been completed is Minions of Mirth, which is can be played as a single player game or an MMORPG. You can find out more and/or download a free edition at Prairies Games.elander_ said:
There are several others in development though.
It would probably be beneficial to start a new thread to discuss Torque, rather than for us to continue several loosely related conversations in this one.
Prime Junta
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dojoteef said:
If you think that salary is the only cost associated with hiring someone, don't go into business for yourself.
dojoteef
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If you think you need $100K (presumably if you split $100k for you and $100k for your consultant) for one year for hiring a JUNIOR level position you don't know what you are talking about. At junior level for programming you can expect a yearly salary in $50k-$60k level. So you are trying to tell me there is an additional overhead of $40k-$45k??Prime Junta said:
DarkSign
Erudite
Hey dojo...longtime no see
glad to have ya back.
glad to have ya back.
Prime Junta
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dojoteef said:
Okay, I didn't actually calculate a budget. I just used a rule of thumb of for estimating the expense -- taking the salary and doubling it.
It's probably a bit on the safe side, but not as much as you might think. Don't forget that if you hire someone to work for you, you'll also have to pay for office space where he works, a workstation to work on, tech infrastructure shared by everyone working on the project, accounting, auditing, incorporation, and so on.
Human Shield
Augur
Prime Junta said:
All right has there been any update on this?
I would like to express interest in a open-source over-head, tile-based (and maybe radius-based), turn-based (and maybe phase-based) engine.
Not as expansive as your suggestion but a major part. Parts such as sound and models should be done by each team.
I would recommend Irrlicht. http://irrlicht.sourceforge.net/ is a 3D that has advanced features but is straightforward enough that additions can be used by new comer RPG enthusiasts, other open-source 3D are going to require previous experience. It is also C++ and easy to setup and run.
I have immediate C++ knowledge and can pick things up quick but I haven't wanted to start a project without some other support and someone more knowledgeable.
I would like to see a recyclable RPG engine that could be used for our own projects.
So I can plead time and effort if I can get someone a bit more experienced. It shouldn't be too hard, I am just to inexperienced to start writing tile and turn managers from scratch.
I've already coded a basic overhead camera with mouse scrolling and mouse wheel zoom, and mouse hover-over highlighting on objects.
crufty
Arcane
If NWN was turn based that would be enough for me...
Damn you bioware, damn you!
I think an RPG oriented IF engine would probably get more immediate utility. 3D graphics have moved out of the carb. era and into fuel injection....the casual hobbiest can no longer compete with the big boys; not from a development perspective, but from a user's perspective. Most folks can barely draw, let alone model what is in their imaginations. BUT they can all <i>describe</i> it.
Still, if anyone is taking a shot, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE start here: http://nwn.bioware.com/developers/
There's no reason to spend your time modeling new goblins when plenty of fan made ones already exist!
Damn you bioware, damn you!
I think an RPG oriented IF engine would probably get more immediate utility. 3D graphics have moved out of the carb. era and into fuel injection....the casual hobbiest can no longer compete with the big boys; not from a development perspective, but from a user's perspective. Most folks can barely draw, let alone model what is in their imaginations. BUT they can all <i>describe</i> it.
Still, if anyone is taking a shot, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE start here: http://nwn.bioware.com/developers/
There's no reason to spend your time modeling new goblins when plenty of fan made ones already exist!
elander_
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Psilon
Erudite
Last time I looked at Panda it wasn't especially impressive. Have things changed in the past year or so?
elander_
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Psilon said:
I have tried Ogre and Irrlicht and it seems Panda is a lot better. If you download the Panda development kit you have Python already installed and you can make your entire game in Python. Plus you can use .x, vrml and other common models in the game. Im working on a 3d model of vault13 to test it, i will tell you more when its finished.
Castanova
Prophet
On the flipside: I can program well enough to make a game but I never do because my ambitions exceed my time/ability to render graphics.
Does anyone know a free or extremely cheap (< $100 US) library of animated sprites/models? It's grid & turn-based so I actually don't need very much, just:
- A melee character
- A ranged character
- A caster character
The only other wrinkle is that I need lots of equipment combos for the melee. He needs to be righty, lefty, with/without shield, and dual-wieldable.
Does anyone know a free or extremely cheap (< $100 US) library of animated sprites/models? It's grid & turn-based so I actually don't need very much, just:
- A melee character
- A ranged character
- A caster character
The only other wrinkle is that I need lots of equipment combos for the melee. He needs to be righty, lefty, with/without shield, and dual-wieldable.
elander_
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You mean 3d or 2d stuff. If you are just looking for 2d you could extract some sprites from Fallout and give it a small retouch. I don't think anyone would bother. Certainly not Interplay that is in coma for several years now. If you mean 3d models then try blendernation and the blender model repository. There is usualy some already animated models on the net if you look well enough.
tozth
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@elander_
You can write games entirely in Python using Soya3d, a 3D engine written entirely in Pyrex and Python.
Also, there's Delta3D
Because Delta is using Open Scene Graph for rendering, I think it's safe to say that you can achieve reasonable amounts of bling.
And there's also the Blender Game Engine. It has a new physics engine and work is being done to replace it's aging rendering technology with Ogre3d (early preview announced for late August).
The most hyped BGE project at the moment is Club Silo.
All this stuff is free software under GNU GPL.
You can write games entirely in Python using Soya3d, a 3D engine written entirely in Pyrex and Python.
Also, there's Delta3D
Major New Features
* dtHLAGM: A HLA networking component for the GameManager that support an Agile FOM interface using XML.
* User input via dtCore::Keyboard and dtCore:ouse now follows the Chain of Responsibility pattern. This also users to have finer-grained control over who handles input events.
* Brand new dtCore::SkyBox which support three render profiles: fixed function, cube map, and angular map. This refactor fixes the infamous ATI/SkyBox bug!
* Support in dtCore::EffectManager for extensible DetonationTypes.
* Support for Microsoft Visual Studio 2005.
* Universal Binaries for Apple MacOS X.
* Shader architecture which loads OpenGL Shading Language vertex and fragment shaders with a XML definition file. Shader groups can now be attached directly to Actors in STAGE.
* Dead Reckoning GMComponent - added Actor helper object and dead reckoning component for the Game Manager architecture to tick and move objects with less actor updates (particularly useful for networked apps).
* BaseInputComponent - enables easy use of keyboard & mouse behavior in the GM using the recent changes to keyboard and mouse listeners.
* Massively enhanced Game Manager After Action Review capability with Task Actors and many other new features.
* Added interface for particle manipulation through code. Particles on the fly!
* LOTS more unit tests.
* Many, many bug fixes... see changes.txt for details.
Key Features of the Delta3D Game Engine
* High level C++ API with Python bindings
* STAGE: A powerful editor for building 3D worlds and scripting sequences.
* Supported on Windows XP and Linux
* LGPL license for core libraries. GPL license for STAGE.
* Particle systems
* 3D audio rendering
* Supports numerous standard 3D file formats (.3ds, .flt, .osg, .obj, etc.)
* High & low level character animation
* HLA networking
* Game-style client/server networking
* Extensible terrain architecture
* Terrain generation directly from source DTED
* Realistic terrain rendering using SOARX
* Procedural vegetation placement on terrain
* Tool suite: STAGE, Particle System Editor, 3D Model Viewer
* 3D content exporters for Max 7, Maya 6, and Blender 2.37
* Email and web forum support
* Unit tests
Because Delta is using Open Scene Graph for rendering, I think it's safe to say that you can achieve reasonable amounts of bling.
And there's also the Blender Game Engine. It has a new physics engine and work is being done to replace it's aging rendering technology with Ogre3d (early preview announced for late August).
The most hyped BGE project at the moment is Club Silo.
All this stuff is free software under GNU GPL.
crufty
Arcane
Personally, if you know C++ I think Ogre is the easiest to use IF what you want is not covered by a more higher-level engine already. It is not always fast and it has its quirks, but the nice part is as it follows the 3d tech you get the advances for "free" so to speak.
I would think a good place to start would be adding a 3d-ultima style tile based engine to ANY 3d engine. All these engines (to my limited knowledge) handle large, sprawling level based meshes very well, but none support tile based ones. Rather then starting a whole new project, I think it would be of great use to add a tile-based render, then add the framework on top of that...
I would think a good place to start would be adding a 3d-ultima style tile based engine to ANY 3d engine. All these engines (to my limited knowledge) handle large, sprawling level based meshes very well, but none support tile based ones. Rather then starting a whole new project, I think it would be of great use to add a tile-based render, then add the framework on top of that...
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